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PMarione
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Margarette Lincoln, Naval Wives & Mistresses, NMM, 2007 ISBN: 978-0948065927
This one is about the seamen's wives and mistresses staying home.
Less glamorous than seawomen but more common.
http://www.nmm.org.uk/index.cfm?SelectedProductPLUNo=96287
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Margarette Lincoln had already published a very interesting book: Representing the Royal Navy: British Sea Power 1750-1815, Ashgate, 2002, ISBN: 978-0754608301.
A book that I recommend: it deals with the evolution of the perception of the general public of the RN which was to emerge as the senior service in the 19th cent.
Back to Naval Wives & Mistresses.
The book is very good, a stepstone in social naval history.
The feminist struggle of the 19th and 20th cent was essentially politic and it has painted a completely false picture of the position of the woman in the society of the previous centuries as creatures with no rights.
Now that gravity has got the better of bra burning, this book puts back on track how much the women's role was important in the economy and the culture of the 18th cent.
The maritime choice is interesting because this role was even more important in the seafaring population with men at sea for days to years.
The women had to take complete charge of the household, wives of aristocrats as well as those of fishermen.
Women had not waited for feminism to take a prominent place of the society.
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Harold Godwinsson
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Hello i'm Harold
I was wondering if you or any one could mention any good Books on the Women in the Royal Navy?
Or any interesting information that might help, i know of women that were on the ships at the Nile, in fact i've heard of one who actually gave birth to a child during the action, some even served the Guns or carried powder during the action, so i was wondering if you or any one had any information of women if any, that may have served on the ships of the fleet at any of the other actions, either small ship to ship actions or the few large fleet actions like the Nile?
Any information would be helpfull. 
Thanks!
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Most of the books on women and the RN are quoted under the subject Female transvestism and the 17-18 cen Dutch navy below.
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Thanks, for replying and for the info!
Harold
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Harold,
Should that be `That'... in your signature?
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| alexlitandem wrote: | Harold,
Should that be `That'... in your signature?
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You are right, but people know what signel it is don't they!
So i don't suppose it really matters! 
"ENGLAND EXPECTS, THAT EVERY MAN WILL DO HIS DUTY!"
That's better!
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Harold,
I was not being a smart arse, nor `criticising' you; it's just that the `that' issue, indeed the whole signal issue, is very `confusing': walk around Victory and see for yourself.
There is much controversy still on signal flags used, angles flown, code books applied... and not least, on precise message content.
Then again, go and look at examples of the Mourning rings...
No `That'. And, instead of `will', we read `to'.
[I agree, we all get the gist. But, gist ain't necessarily the real deal.]
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| alexlitandem wrote: | Harold,
I was not being a smart arse, nor `criticising' you; it's just that the `that' issue, indeed the whole signal issue, is very `confusing': walk around Victory and see for yourself.
There is much controversy still on signal flags used, angles flown, code books applied... and not least, on precise message content.
Then again, go and look at examples of the Mourning rings...
No `That'. And, instead of `will', we read `to'.
[I agree, we all get the gist. But, gist ain't necessarily the real deal.]
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I understand, i'm sorry if it sounded as if i was being sarcastic or something, i was in a rather depresed mood, but no harm done, again i'm sorry for the way i wrote my last post.
I haven't visited the Victory since i was in my teen's on a School trip, but i've seen the signal in books, i don't no that much about Naval signals, its the only one i know, that and "SIGNAL CLOSE ACTION!", since i've been a fan of Nelson and the Royal Navy since childhood, so perhaps you would know more about Naval signals than i would.
I know the ENGLAND EXPECTS, signal more because it was more that signal than any other that was taught at school, plus its the one that stands out above all others, as an Englishman, and perhaps being an Englishman i suppose.
Any way no harm done!
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Getting back to the topic for a moment...
Susan Lucas, a friend and poster here, and a great lead contributor to EE's site 'Nelson and His Navy', some time ago posted this [I hope that both Susan and EE will not mind me extracting /referencing Susan's post] on the topic of Women at War!
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One wonders what Nelson may have thought when he heard the news of women disguised as men, were serving in the RN.
The book Female Tars by Suzanne Stark is an interesting book that cover's some of their service in the RN.
A fantastic website of Women as Warriors in the 18th Century also covers a few of these women's stories.
www.lothene.demon.co.uk/o...men18.html
It should be noted (Since few knew) that in 2005 The Royal Society of Chemistry actually took a different tact and gave Tribute to the courage of Trafalgar women.
www.rsc.org/AboutUs/News/...ourage.asp
I think often we over look the important roles that women played in history, and their service to Crown and Country.
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The direct link to Susan's original post is:
http://aboutnelson.yuku.com/topic/378/t/Women-Warriors-in-the-18th-Century.html
Hope at least one of them works.
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Harold Godwinsson
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| alexlitandem wrote: | Getting back to the topic for a moment...
Susan Lucas, a friend and poster here, and a great lead contributor to EE's site 'Nelson and His Navy', some time ago posted this [I hope that both Susan and EE will not mind me extracting /referencing Susan's post] on the topic of Women at War!
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One wonders what Nelson may have thought when he heard the news of women disguised as men, were serving in the RN.
The book Female Tars by Suzanne Stark is an interesting book that cover's some of their service in the RN.
A fantastic website of Women as Warriors in the 18th Century also covers a few of these women's stories.
www.lothene.demon.co.uk/o...men18.html
It should be noted (Since few knew) that in 2005 The Royal Society of Chemistry actually took a different tact and gave Tribute to the courage of Trafalgar women.
www.rsc.org/AboutUs/News/...ourage.asp
I think often we over look the important roles that women played in history, and their service to Crown and Country.
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The direct link to Susan's original post is:
http://aboutnelson.yuku.com/topic/378/t/Women-Warriors-in-the-18th-Century.html
Hope at least one of them works.
(By the way, Harold, great name!) |
Cheer's friend, Harold England's last Native English King is another one of the many English Hero's i admire!
On Women and the Royal Navy, thank's for the information, i didn't know much about the roll of women until i saw a Documentery called Meet the Ancesters - Nelson's Island where there was an Excavation of Royal Navy Graves found there, its somewhere near Alexandra Egypt, it seems there was an English Naval Base there after the Battle of the Nile, it mentioned that during the Action, on one of the first or second Raters involved in the Action, there were Women who were married to some of the crew, who were helping in serving the Guns, and tending to the wounded, it mentioned one woman who actually gave birth, during the hight of the Action.
It sparked an interest, and i wanted to find out more, since in some of the books i've read it mention nothing about those Women that were involved in that Action and others.
It seems though that the Babe of the woman born during the Battle of the Nile was Buried on Nelson's Island along with the childs mother.
Any way thank's for the information!
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